An E-mail Conversation between
Father Thomas Celso and a Former Student of Luisa
Piccarreta’s Divine Will Movement
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From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/06/06 09:49:15
To: Father Celso
Subject: Uncreated grace?
Father Thomas!
Hello. Me again.
I was meditating upon the difference of the grace found in the Saints vs Luisa. You say Luisa possesses a Divine Holiness, and
that the Saints and those not linked to Luisa only possess a saintly holiness of
the human will. Through Luisa (once the 3 appeals are fulfilled) we'll have the
restoration of the preternatural gifts.
So, two questions:
Does Luisa possess a
Divine Holiness in terms of possessing Uncreated Grace?
[I knew that if the answer to this question were
"yes," it would be heresy. I asked this question to probe, but also because
there's nothing left for Man but a substantial union with the Divine. In Christ,
we're tightly bound to unity with God through an unsubstantial, accidental
union. Only Jesus Christ has a substantial and Uncreated Union with the Divinty, because He is 100% God and 100% Man. Jesus did SO
MUCH for us that the only thing left is a substantial union with God. I asked
this question to understand the difference between Celso's definition of "Sacramental Life" vs. his definition
of the "True Divine Life of Jesus and Mary." Incidentally, the Book of Heaven
suggests the Children of the Divine Will will have a substantial union because they are to become,
literally, living Hosts. Here's what the Book of Heaven also says, August 1,
1926, Volume 19,"You Luisa must know that I Jesus am always occupied and all
intent on working in you Luisa: now I, Jesus expand your capacity Luisa, now I,
Jesus instruct you Luisa, many times I, Jesus move on to work together with you
Luisa, other times I, Jesus make up for you Luisa; in sum, I am always occupied,
and this says that I love you Luisa more and more - but with stronger and more
substantial love." I'm theorizing that the Divine Will is a
Created Gift that unites Grace with Man's
substance in such a way that it restores the preternatural gifts
and reunites God, Man and Creation].
and
Through Luisa, do we have access to the
Uncreated Grace of the True Divine Life of Jesus and Mary? [I've found that if people are reluctant to answer
questions, you can get them to answer questions by presenting to them things
that are possibly erroneous. They'll usually refute you zealously if the answer
to the question is "no." Had the answer to this question been "yes," it would
have been heresy. I wouldn't have resorted to such methods had Father Celso simply answered my questions].
I was thinking there must be difference in the source or type of Grace
possessed, only because the preternatural gifts don't elevate us to the Level of
God. The restoration of the preternatural gifts only
elevate Man to the level of Angels. So---I figured there must be more to
it.
As always, thank you very much.
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of men!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
From: BThomas Celso
Date: 10/08/06 07:58:22
To: Billy de Goat
Subject: Re: Uncreated grace?
----- Original Message -----
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/06/06 09:49:15
To: Father Celso
Subject: Uncreated grace?
Father Thomas!
Hello. Me again.
I was meditating upon the difference of the grace found in the Saints vs Luisa. You say Luisa possesses a Divine Holiness, NO the Divine Will [Yet
again, Father Celso contradicts himself. He told me on
his first e-mail reply on 09/21/06,"Jesus
gives Luisa a divine holiness." Here, I
was trying to get Celso to tell me exactly WHAT the
Divine Will is. He danced around this like a Politician. When a person behaves
like a Politician, I naturally assume they're trying to hide something. Is Celso refusing to divulge the definition of Luisa's Divine
Will because it requires the insertion of a Pantheistic component that is
similar to the Buddist's Tao and the Sufi's Wahdat-ul-Wujood/Unity of the Divine? Such a component would
be contrary to the teaching of the church, of course, because the Catholic God
is not "The Force" in the Star Wars movies] and that the Saints and
those not linked to Luisa only possess a saintly holiness of the human will.
Through Luisa (once the HOLY FATHER LIVES IN THE DIVINE
WILL 3 appeals are fulfilled) we'll have the restoration of the
preternatural gifts.
So, two questions:
Does Luisa possess a
Divine Holiness in terms of possessing Uncreated Grace? Luisa is a human. Only God is Uncreated
[Good!].
and
Through Luisa, do we have access to the
Uncreated Grace of the True Divine Life of Jesus and Mary?
Billy, please read the Volumes starting from Volume
1 first to learn exactly how Jesus began the spiritual with Luisa and link
yourself to her and read step by step through to Volume 36.[Here, he sidesteps the real question: What is the Divine
Will? Why won't he answer this? Why does he refer to the readings and that I'm
to read them from the beginning? Answer: because if I read the Book of
Heaven in chronological order, I'll slowly be indoctrinated into the cult, that is, slowly brainwashed into accepting
heresy].
I was thinking YOU ARE STILL FOCUSED ON YOUR
MISUNDERSTANDINGS [At this point in the
conversation, I was beginning to understand things with crystal
clarity] there must be difference in the source or type of
Grace possessed, only because the preternatural gifts don't elevate us NO, we receive God's Image through Baptism of the Church and
we receive God's Likeness through the Divine Will[This is NOT what the Church teaches! We are made in the
image and likeness of God through our intellect, memory and FREE WILL given to
us at birth! Yes---it is our FREE WILL that makes us like God! We enter into the
True Divine Life at Baptism. You can't redefine the teachings of the church so
as to conform to the private revelations of your favorite mystic]
We MUST become saints which Volumes 1-10 teach. Then in
Volume 11 with the second baptism [The
Church teaches that there is only one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
That's in the Nicene Creed. Nowhere does The Church teach that there is a Second
Baptism. Again, he's redefining Catholicism so that it will conform to the
teachings of Piccarreta] we learn how to Live in the Divine Will. Then in Volume 20 -
36 we learn how to receive the Divine Inheritance of the Father. to the NOT the Level of God but one
with God a perennial Communion with Him[This is a reference to the Children of the Divine Will
literally becoming living Hosts because they, as a persons, become transubstanted. A living Host has perennial Communion with
God. I got this straight out of the Book of Heaven. This violates a Dogma
concerning the Real Presence. This will be discussed more later. There is a real, special spiritual gift called
"Infused Contemplation," where one is constantly and permanently aware of God's
Omniprescience. It's a rare gift, but it has been
around long before Luisa Piccarreta was
born]. The restoration of the preternatural gifts
only elevate Man to the level of Angels.NO! Angels are
servants of God. Man is a child of God[Once again, he's redefining the teachings of the Church to
accommodate the teachings of Piccarreta (referring to
the "NO!" as a reply to my statement, "the restoration of the preternatural
gifts only elevate man to the level of Angels." He's correct in saying Angels
are servants of God and that Man is a Child of God. He simply omitted the fact
that Man is both a Child and a servant of The Lord). Now, this is what the
Church teaches regarding the gifts God has given to Man: Supernatural Gifts. I'll quote from the link, New Advent
Catholic Encyclopedia:
A supernatural gift may be
defined as something conferred on nature that is above all the powers (vires) of created nature. When God created man, He was not
content with bestowing upon him the essential endowments required by man's
nature. He raised him to a higher state, adding certain gifts to which his
nature had no claim. They comprise qualities and perfections, forces and
energies, dignities and rights, destination to final objects, of which the
essential constitution of man is not the principle; which are not
required for the attainment of the final perfection of the natural order
of man; and which can only be communicated by the free operation of God's
goodness and power. Some of these are absolutely supernatural, i.e.
beyond the reach of all created nature (even of the angels), and elevate the
creature to a dignity and perfection natural to God alone; others are only
relatively supernatural (preternatural), i.e. above human nature only
and elevate human nature to that state of higher perfection which is natural
to the angels. The original state of man comprised both of these, and
when he fell he lost both. Christ has restored to us the absolutely
supernatural gifts, but the preternatural gifts He has not
restored.
The absolutely
supernatural gifts, which alone are the supernatural properly so called,
are summed up in the divine adoption of man to be the son and heir of
God.
The Church teaches that all the Just will be
resurrected into the image and likeness of the Risen Christ after the General
Resurrection on the Day of the Lord (Parousia). Our
bodies will have the preternatural gifts restored at that time and not
before!] So---I figured there must be more to it.
PLEASE BEGIN TO LEARN THE DOCTRINE [This is not doctrine. It is private
revelation] OF THE DIVINE WILL. HOW, YOU
ASK?
YOU MUST ECHO THE WORDS OF THE WORD MADE FLESH TO
LUISA INORDER TO BEGIN TO LIVE IN THE DIVINE WILL.
As always, thank you very much.
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of men!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
ALL YOUR MANY, MANY QUESTIONS ARE ALL ANSWERED BY
JESUS HIMSELF THROUGH LUISA IN THE 36 VOLUMES PLEASE, READ FROM THE
BEGINNING!!!
[The parts Father Celso emphasised in the following
excerpts from the Book of Heaven are highlighted in bold. Areas of special
emphasis are in bold and underlined].
January 29, 1919 God will accomplish the third
renewal of humanity by manifesting what His Divinity did within His
Humanity.
I was doing the adoration of the wounds of blessed
Jesus, and at the end I recited the Creed, intending to enter into the immensity
of the Divine Will in which there are all the acts of the creatures, past,
present and future, and even those acts which the creature should do, but did
not, because of negligence or wickedness. And I was saying: ‘My Jesus, my Love,
I enter your Volition, and with this Creed I intend to redo and repair all the
acts of faith which the creatures have not done, all the disbeliefs, and the
lacks of adoration which is due to God as Creator...’
While I was saying these and other things, I felt my
intelligence being dissolved in the Divine Will, and a light investing all my
intellect, in which I could see my sweet Jesus. This light spoke and spoke...
But who can say everything? I will say it confusedly; and then, I feel such
repugnance that if obedience were not so severe, but more indulgent, it would
not force me into such sacrifices. But You, my Life,
give me the strength, and do not leave this poor little ignorant one on her
own.
Now, it seemed that He was saying to me: "My beloved
daughter Luisa, I Jesus want to let you Luisa know the order of my Providence.
Every two thousand years I have renewed the world.
In the first two thousand years I renewed it with the Deluge; in the
second two thousand I renewed it with my coming upon earth when I
manifested my Humanity, from which, as if from many fissures, my Divinity shone
forth. The good ones and the very Saints of the following two thousand years
have lived from the fruits of my Humanity and, in drops, they have enjoyed my
Divinity. Now we are around the third two thousand years, , and there
will be a third renewal. This is the reason for the general confusion: it is
nothing other than the preparation of the third renewal. If in the second
renewal I manifested what my Humanity did and suffered, and very little of what
My Divinity was operating, now, in this third renewal, after the earth will be
purged and a great part of the current generation destroyed, I will be even more
generous with creatures, and I will accomplish the renewal by manifesting what
My Divinity did within My Humanity; how My Divine Will acted with my human will;
how everything remained linked within Me; how I did and redid everything, and
how even each thought of each creature was redone by Me, and sealed with my
Divine Volition.
My Love wants to pour Itself out; It wants to make known the excesses which my
Divinity operated in my Humanity for the creatures - excesses which greatly
surpass the excesses that my Humanity operated externally. This is also why
I, Jesus often speak to you Luisa about Living in My Will, which I, Jesus
have not manifested to anyone (but to you alone Luisa) until now. At the
most, they have known the shadow of My Will, the grace and the sweetness of
doing It. But to penetrate inside of It, to embrace
immensity, to be multiplied with Me and - even while being on earth - penetrate
everywhere, both into Heaven and into the hearts, laying down the human ways and
acting in Divine ways - this is not yet known; so much so that not to a
few will this appear strange, and those who do not keep their minds opened to
the light of the Truth will not understand a thing. But little by little I
will make my way, manifesting now one truth, now another, about this living in
my Will, so that they will end up understanding.
Now, the first link which connected the true living
in My Will was My Holy Humanity. My Humanity, identified with My Divinity, swam
in the Eternal Volition, and kept tracing all the acts of creatures in order to
make them Its own, to give to the Father a divine glory
on the part of creatures, and to bring the value, the love, the kiss of the
Eternal Volition to all the acts of creatures. In this sphere of the Eternal
Volition, I could see all the acts of creatures - those which could be done and
were not done, and also the good acts done badly - and I did those which had not
been done, and redid those done badly. Now, these acts which were not done,
except by Me alone, are all suspended in My Will, and I await the creatures to
come to Live in My Volition, and repeat in My Will that which I did.
This is why I, Jesus chose you Luisa as the
second link of connection with My Humanity, a link which becomes one with
mine, as you live in my Volition and repeat my own acts. Otherwise, on this side
my Love would remain without Its outpouring, without
glory from the creatures for all that my Divinity operated within my Humanity,
and without the perfect purpose of Creation, which must be enclosed and
perfected in my Will. It would be as if I had shed all my Blood and suffered so
much, and nobody had known it. Who would have loved Me?
Which heart would have been shaken? No one; and therefore in no one would I have
had my fruits - the glory of Redemption."
Interrupting Jesus’ saying, I said: ‘My Love, if
there is so much good in this living in the Divine Will, why didn’t You manifest it before?’ And He: "My daughter, first I had to
make known what my Humanity did and suffered externally, to be able to dispose
souls to knowing what my Divinity did inside. The creature is incapable of
understanding my work all together; therefore I keep manifesting Myself little by little. (VOLUME BY VOLUME)
Then, from your link Luisa of connection with Me, the links of other souls will be connected, and I will
have a cohort of souls who, Living in my Volition, will redo all the acts of the
creatures. I will receive the glory of the many suspended acts done only by
Me, also from the creatures - and these, from all
classes: virgins, priests, lay people, according to their office. They will no
longer operate humanly; but rather, as they penetrate into My Will, their acts
will multiply for all in a way which is fully Divine. I
will receive from the creatures the Divine Glory of many Sacraments administered
and received in a human way, of others which have been profaned, of others
sullied with interest, and of many good works in which I remain more dishonored
than honored. I yearn very much for this time… And you Luisa, pray and yearn for
it together with Me, and do not move your link Luisa of
connection with Mine, but start - as the first one."
February 9, 1919 Concerns of
Luisa. Jesus tells her that
He has chosen her from eternity for the Sanctity of living in the Divine
Will.
I continue to talk about what is written on January
29.
I was saying to my sweet Jesus: ‘How is it possible
that I Luisa am the second link of connection with your
Humanity? There are souls so dear to You, under whose
feet I do not deserve to be. And then, there is your inseparable Mama Mary, who
occupies the first place in everything and over everything. It seems to me, my
sweet Love, that You really want to tell me lies; yet,
I am forced by obedience, with the cruelest torment of my soul, to put it on
paper. My Jesus, have pity on my hard martyrdom!’
While I was saying this, my always lovable Jesus,
caressing me, told me: "My daughter Luisa, why do you trouble yourself? Isn’t
perhaps my usual way to elect from the dust and to form great portents -
portents of grace? All the honor is Mine, and the
weaker and lower is the subject, the more I am glorified. And then, My Mama
Mary, does not enter into the secondary part of My
Love, of My Will; rather, She, Mary, forms one single link with Me.
It is also certain that I have souls most dear to Me,
but this does not exclude that I may elect one rather than another to the height
of an office - and not only of an office, but to such height of Sanctity as
befits the living in my Will. The graces which were not necessary to others,
whom I did not call to Live in this immensity of
Sanctity of My Will, are necessary for you Luisa, whom I Jesus elected from
Eternity. In these most sad times I Jesus chose you Luisa so that, by Living in
My Will, you Luisa would give Me Divine Love, Divine Reparation and Divine
Satisfaction, which can be found only in the Living in My Will. The times, My
Love and My Will required a greater display of love in the midst of so much
human evil. Am I perhaps not free to do whatever I want? Can anybody perhaps
bind Me? No, no. Therefore, calm yourself and be
faithful to Me."
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/06/06 15:51:53
To: Father Celso
Subject: Luisa's keys
Father Thomas,
Hello!
I was reading Volume 12 and came across this on the May 10, 1925 entry, "And
she, on hearing this, becomes joyful and makes festive the Three Divine Persons
who, taking delight in her, await the fulfillment
of her office which they have entrusted to her."
I'm concurrently taking a class at church called, "The Basics of the Catholic
Faith," as our Parish is preparing for the New Evangelization---through
educating the flock. This week, we were discussing the concept of Keys. Our
teacher told us that when someone is given Keys, it denotes to them an office
with subsequent authority. In the old Testament, we see
a typology that alludes to the Papacy in Isaiah 22:15-25, when the Prime
Minister, the second in command to the King, is given "Keys." We see Jesus
giving Peter Keys in Matthew 16: 17-19. This is an example of the Old Testament
being fulfilled in the New.
Okay, so you mentioned the Three Appeals, the third of which says that Luisa
has a set of keys to lock the Human Will up. She
will complete her office then when the Kingdom of the Divine Will manifests visibly?
Am I getting this right----Luisa's like unto a
second Peter----and she's been given Keys, which denotes to her an office and
authority?
Could you describe this a little more for
me?
Also, are the Three Appeals in the Book of
Heaven? I've not come across them yet. Which Volume?
Also, just for fun, I'm wondering what you
believe about when the Kingdom of the Divine Will manifests? Is this to be
before or after the Second Coming of Christ?
Thank you!
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of men!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/06/06 15:52:51
To: Father Celso
Subject: OOPS one correction
Father,
That last email should've said Volume 17, not Volume 12. Sorry!
--Billy de Goat
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/06/06 18:21:39
To: Father Celso
Subject: another stupid question
Father Thomas,
Hello again.
Another question:
Will the Children of the Divine Will possess
full knowledge of the Trinity?[I knew
this answer should be no. None of us will ever possess full knowledge of the
Trinity, not in this life, nor in the life to come
because the Trinity is Infinite. Again, I was testing the level of cultus].
Thanks and God Bless.
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
[No response]
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/07/06 20:14:36
To: Father Celso
Subject: How do I read Luisa?
Father Thomas,
I find a lot of strong statements in Luisa's writings.
I'm wondering, How do I read
The Book of Heaven? Literally? Symbolically? For instance, I've read mystics
who've talked about our souls being "transformed into Jesus." (In this case, Luis M. Marinez).
Archbishop Martinez qualified his statement though---that he doesn't mean this
literally. The "transformation into Jesus" is a symbolic statement that means to
convey the action of the Holy Spirit within a soul. We can't say Literally that we're being transformed into Jesus because
that's Pantheism. God didn't break of pieces of Himself into His creation, not
in the beginning, not now, and not ever. We share in God's Divine Nature,
Sanctifying Grace, through the action of the Holy Spirit. Sanctifying Grace is a
supernatural Gift of the holy spirit, but the gift is
not the same as the Giver. The Holy Spirit is Present everywhere as God---but
the Holy Spirit is not IN all things, or else I'd have cause to worship my
coffee cup because God is "IN" it. This is just an example.
[In retrospect, I should've qualified this
further for Father Celso. I should have said that the
Holy Ghost dwells within the souls of the Baptised in
a Created way through the gift of Sanctifying and Actual Graces (gifts that have
an Uncreated Nature, allowing us to share in God's Divinity) through the
Indwelling of the Holy Trinity in a non-substantial, accidental way. It
is only in Jesus Christ and in Jesus Christ alone that the Divinity dwells in a
substantial and Uncreated way. That is why He is God
made Man. A
second exception is the Consecrated Host of the Eucharist where Christ, again,
dwells substantially in an Uncreated way, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity in
the visible accidents of the Consecrated Host for the purpose of providing an
unblemished sacrifice to the Father to redeem mankind until the End of Time.
That is, the Eucharist extends the sacrifice of Calvary until the end of time. Christianity is not a
Pantheistic religion because, with the exception of Jesus Christ and the Real
Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the infinite distance between the Creator
and the Created remains.
Luisa's Divine Will
breaches this divide because the gift of Luisa's Divine Will is a SECOND
unmerited Gift from God. It is a created gift that has an
uncreated nature (not unlike Sanctifying Grace) that dwells within
Christians substantially**, so that the preternatural gifts of Adam and
Eve are restored. Luisa's Divine Will penetrates the natural substance of
the body to restore preternaturality. Luisa's Divine
Will FAILS because of its substantiality, that is, its penetration into
Creation. This created gift with an Uncreated Nature transforms the Children of
the Divine Will, making them like unto Men made God. When the Uncreated is
inserted into the created substantially, the substance of the Created changes
into the Uncreated. Luisa's Divine Will essentially inserts God into His
Creation. This is in NO WAY the teaching of the One, Holy, Catholic and
Apostolic
Church.
This substantial union of Man with the
Divine Nature shares many features with the Islamic Mysticism of Sufism.
"Luisa's Divine Will" is the equivalent of Sufism's "unity of the Divine / unity
of being," also called "Wahdat-ul-Wujood." Choosing to
live in one's nothingness in preparation for receiving the Gift of the
Divine Will is the equivalent of Sufism's Fanaa.. Wikipedia defines Fanaa,"This is
the Sufi term for extinction. It means to annihilate the self, while remaining
physically alive. Persons having entered this state are said to have no
existence outside of and unity with Allah. Fanaa is
equivalent to the concept of nirvana in Buddhism,or moksha in Hinduism which
also aims for annihilation of the self." Living in the Divine Will is the
equivalent of Sufism's Baqaa a state where the annihilated
self is literally and completely absorbed in the unity with the Divine Essence
(the equivalent of Luisa's Divine Will). I'll discuss this more
later.
I do believe this is why Father Celso refused to answer my questions. See, Luisa's Divine
Will CAN be understood by the human intellect, and when it is, the human
intellect sees that this whole spirituality looks a lot like Islamic Mysticism.
Now, what would the Church Fathers say about
that?
** Here's what the Book of Heaven also
says, August 1, 1926, Volume 19,"You Luisa must know that I Jesus am always
occupied and all intent on working in you Luisa: now I, Jesus expand your
capacity Luisa, now I, Jesus instruct you Luisa, many times I, Jesus move on to
work together with you Luisa, other times I, Jesus make up for you Luisa; in
sum, I am always occupied, and this says that I love you Luisa more and more -
but with stronger and more substantial love." Granted, one can
make the argument that this is to be taken metaphorically. But this is not the
only reference from the Book of Heaven that implies a substantial union.
There are many, many such references. Another example is the teaching that the
bodies of the Children of the Divine Will will be,
after the fulfullment of the Three Appeals,
transubstantiated into Living Hosts after receiving Communion, such that they
will become walking Sacraments and Bearers of the Divine---"the greatest of all
the Sacraments." You can't get more substantial than that! This also violates
several teachings of The Church as it was taught to us by Christ and the
Apostles].
So when Luisa says that we are to live IN the Divine Will-----are we to
interpret this symbolically? literally? I ask this
because a symbolic interpretation of her writings has an entirely different
meaning than a literal interpretation.
A literal interpretation would mean that if and when the Kingdom of the
Divine Will manifests, we can have cause to worship each other, because God is
IN us.
I'd really like some guidance in this area----how to read this stuff.
Thanks you for your patience and God bless you.
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of Men!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
[No response]
From: BThomas Celso
Date: 10/08/06 09:16:26
To: Billy de Goat
Subject: Re: OOPS one correction
Dear Billy,
God bless you and your family in the Most Holy
Divine Will. I will be in Corato for the next week and
will let you know what the Archbishop tells us. [Father Celso is works with the
Archbishop of Corato??? My fear is that Father Celso’s interpretation is the mainstream, "official,"
interpretation of Piccarreta’s writings. If so---then
the Church of the future is sailing toward an even stormier sea than we‘re
sailing in presently. We MUST save our children from this
heresy!!!].
Fiat!
Fr. Thomas
----- Original Message -----
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/06/06 15:52:51
To: Father Celso
Subject: OOPS one correction
Father,
That last email should've said Volume 17, not Volume 12. Sorry!
--Billy de Goat
From: BThomas Celso
Date: 10/08/06 09:13:59
To: Billy de Goat
Subject: Re: Luisa's keys
----- Original Message -----
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/06/06 15:51:53
To: Father Celso
Subject: Luisa's keys
[He responds in RED]
Father Thomas,
Hello!
I was reading Volume 12 and came across this on the May 10, 1925 entry, "And
she, on hearing this, becomes joyful and makes festive the Three Divine Persons
who, taking delight in her, await the fulfillment
of her office (that is to be the Second
Virgin and Second Mother NOT of REDEMPTION but of Sanctification so that the
Kingdom of God come upon earth as it is in Heaven) which they have
entrusted to her."
I'm concurrently taking a class at church called, "The Basics of the Catholic
Faith," GOOD! WE MUST BE FAITHFUL AND OBEDIENT
CATHOLICS!!! as our Parish is preparing for
the New Evangelization---through educating the flock. This week, we were
discussing the concept of Keys. Our teacher told us that when someone is given
Keys, it denotes to them an office with subsequent authority. In the old Testament, we see a typology that alludes to the Papacy
in Isaiah 22:15-25, when the Prime Minister, the second in command to the King,
is given "Keys." We see Jesus giving Peter Keys in Matthew 16: 17-19. This is an
example of the Old Testament being fulfilled in the New.
Okay, so you mentioned the Three Appeals, the third of which says that Luisa
has a set of keys NO, JESUS SAID TO LUISA "YOU MUST BE
THE KEY" that the Holy Father will use to open the doors of the Kingdom
to lock the Human Will up. She will complete her
office then when the Kingdom of the Divine Will
manifests visibly?
Am I getting this right----Luisa's like unto a
second Peter---- NO! and she's been given Keys,
NO! SHE IS THE KEY which denotes to her an office and
authority?
Could you describe this a little more for
me?
PLEASE BEGIN WITH VOLUME 1 AND READ!!!
Also, are the Three Appeals in the Book of
Heaven? I've not come across them yet. Which Volume?
THE THREE APPEALS WERE WRITTEN IN OBEDIENCE TO HER
SPIRITUAL DIRECTION AT THAT TIME
Also, just for fun, THIS IS NOT A GAME!!! I'm
wondering what you believe about when the Kingdom of the Divine Will manifests?
READ AND YOU WILL FIND OUT! Is this to be before or after the Second Coming of
Christ? AGAIN, IF YOU READ FROM THE
BEGINNING VOLUME 1 through VOLUME 36 JESUS WILL SHOW YOU THROUGH LUISA![This is a simple question. Why won't he just answer it? Is
it because the answer is heretical?].
Thank you!
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of men!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/08/06 11:52:24
To: BThomas Celso
Subject: Re: Luisa's keys
Father Thomas,
Thanks for being so patient with me.
So you say Luisa IS the Key. Do you mean Luisa is the Key of Peter? That is,
Luisa is the key that Peter holds in his hands?
Wow! [This was not meant as a compliment. It
was a "Wow!" expressing my shock at this priest’s outrageous
beliefs].
Thank you and God Bless.
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of man!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
From: BThomas Celso
Date: 10/08/06 14:27:24
To: Billy de Goat
Subject: Re: Luisa's keys
----- Original Message -----
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/08/06 11:52:24
To: BThomas Celso
Subject: Re: Luisa's keys
[He responds in RED].
Father Thomas,
Thanks for being so patient with me.
So you say Luisa IS the Key. Jesus says to Luisa,
"Luisa, you must be the key." Do you mean Luisa is the Key of Peter?
The Holy Father will use this "key" to unlock the doors
to the Kingdom. That is, Luisa is the key that Peter holds in his hands?
Fiat!
Wow!
Talk to you when we get back from Corato.
Thank you and God Bless.
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of man!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/07/06 20:34:18
To: Father Celso
Subject: The Kingdom of the Divine Will
Father Thomas,
I was perusing an unusual blog this evening, and
came across a conversation between someone in favor of Divine Will and someone
in opposition. The main subject of argument was the Kingdom of the Divine Will.
I had a question about this statement made by the person in support of
Luisa:
"God's triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the LAST
JUDGMENT after the FINAL cosmic upheaval of this passing world.
What the foregoing tells us that the General Judgment will have two distinct
components, that is to say, firstly, the 'eschatological judgment' by which
means will come about the destruction and damnation of the Person of Antichrist
and his subjects. This sentence will be confirmed at the Last Judgment, when all
of creation, human and angelic, will be judged and sentenced accordingly. It is
this General Judgment that gives final glory to God, by demonstrating His
triumph, "over the revolt of evil" which has been in effect since Lucifer's
rebellion. It also informs us, by reference to the FINAL cosmic upheaval, that
this upheaval will NOT be the first; that the New Heavens and New Earth must be
preceded by the destruction of this present earth that is now rapidly passing
away." excerpt from "Stewart's" message to Gerald.
Link to Reference
Anyway, What is your
opinion on this? "Stewart" says that the New Heavens and the New
Earth will precede the final consummation of the world. I find this
confusing.
Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma says that "The world will be destroyed
on the last day" and the "the world will be restored on the last day." (the phrases in quotes are dogmas). It would also take place
in that order, according to Dr. Lugwig Ott. And the Last Day is not going to be some 1000 year long
period in Human History because Jesus said that the Day of the Lord, the Second
Coming, would happen at the speed of lightning, that is, on the same day. Seems that "Stewart" is contradicting the faith, here. I'm
not an expert in theology, or anything, but that's what my little pea brain is
telling me.
Plus, if we're all "living in the Divine Will," in this New Heaven and New
Earth, then why does the Bible prophesy that the Antichrist will lead a vast
multitude into Apostasy? If we're "living in the Divine Will," and the Human
Will is locked up under the Third Appeal, then how is it possible that we can
sin? When is the Reign of Antichrist, in your
opinion?
This person, earlier in the conversation, had mentioned "Two Resurrections."
What is that?
I've found that in general, the discussion of the Last Judgment and the Parousia confuses a LOT of Catholics---including me.
[This was written before I'd read Rick Salbato's interpretation of End Times prophecies. I am no
longer confused].
Luisa has apocalyptic stuff in her writings. I'm
wondering what is your interpretation of the apocalyptic statements in The Book
of Heaven?
Thank you and God bless!
May the perfect love of God reign in the hearts of Men!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
[No response]
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/15/06 12:39:13
To: Father Celso
Subject: Issues with Divine Will
[I wanted to make an attempt at reverting
Father Celso to the true Catholic faith as it was
taught to us by Christ and the Apostles. Everything in bold or italics was added
by me for emphasis].
Father,
I hope your trip to Italy was pleasant.
I've been reading the volumes and I have some concerns. These concern the
basis of Divine Will spirituality. Here are problematic passages and my comments
and questions:
"Jesus made me see all of Creation, how
all created things are in their place willed by God, and therefore in the
perfect order and in complete harmony among themselves; and the Supreme Will
--- because they are in their place --- maintains their existence integral,
beautiful, fresh and always new." Book of Heaven Selected Writings #1
Page 2.
My comment: God's Providence keeps Creation in existence.
"My daughter, how beautiful
are our works! They are our honor and our perennial glory; all are
in their place, and each thing created perfectly fulfills its own office.
Only Man is our dishonor in our creative work; for by withdrawing himself from
our Will, he walks with his head down and with his feet in the air (etc...)"
Book of Heaven Selected Writings #1 Page 2.
"...the acts done in My Divine Will are
so many chains of love that unite Heaven and earth, the
Blessed, and the creatures".
"All that which comes out from God remains in
God." Book of Heaven Selected
Writings #1 Page 13.
My comment: So .. God broke off pieces of Himself in
the substance called The Divine Will and inserted that substance into all
creation. He inserted the Divine Will into the universe, the stars, plants
animals and humans. How is this different from the idea of Tao? How is this
different from Pantheism?
Here, Jesus is speaking about His Passion:
"Therefore, when I, a little child, cried,
whimpered, moaned, My Divine Will, more than solar rays, invested all of
Creation with My tears, with My moans and sighs.
Such that the stars, the sun, the azure sky, the sea, the little flower, all
cried, moaned whimpered and sighed, because the Divine Will that was in me
was the same that reigned in all of Creation; and as something
co-natural, the stars cried, the sky moaned, the sun whimpered, the
sea sighed. The light of My Will brought My echo in
all created things; and they, repeating in my act, accompanied their
Creator." Book of Heaven Selected Writings #1 Pages 13-14.
My Comment: This is even worse! This is saying that Creation and God are
One. The Church teaches that God is present everywhere
inasmuch as His Presence, but not inasmuch as His Essence. God is the author of
life, and his attributes are reflected in His creation. My first catechism
teacher, who was a priest, explained it this way: God's creation is like a
painting. Every artist knows that bits and pieces of his soul are reflected in
the painting. But it doesn't mean that the artist is IN the painting! The artist
is in the painting inasmuch as the artist's presence, but not inasmuch as His
Essence (which is Love). The artist is not the same thing as the art. The artist
and his artwork are not One.
More problems: "Oh power of Your Will,
how grand you are! You alone unite the greatest, the highest Being
with the smallest, the lowest being and form of them one alone." Book of
Heaven Volume 19, pg 87.
My Comment: more of the same error.
"Do you want to know why the earth does not
produce?…Why in various points of the earth the ground
opens frequently with earthquakes, and buries in its bosom cities and persons?…
Why the wind and the water form storms and devastate all, and so many other
evils that you all know?…Because created things possess a Divine Will that
dominates them and therefore they are powerful and dominating; they are more
noble than we. We, on the contrary, are dominated by a human will, and
degraded; and therefore we are weak and impotent. If, for our fortune, we will
put aside our human will and will take the Life of the Divine Volition, we too
shall be strong, dominating…We will be brothers with all things created, which
not only will no longer trouble us, but will give us the dominion over them
and we shall be happy in time and in Eternity." From The
Three Appeals by Luisa Piccarreta.
My Comment: more of the same error, except that this leads me to encounter
another error, which I'll discuss next. Luisa is saying that the reason Man no
longer has dominion over all creation is because Creation has the Divine Will
and we don't. Do you not see the problem with this, Father?
"My daughter, this mirror is the accidents of
bread which keep me imprisoned in them. I form my life in the Host, but this
gives me NOTHING: not an affection, not a palpitation,
not the smallest 'I love you.' It is, as it were, dead for Me. I remain alone, without the shadow of any exchange; and,
therefore, My Love is almost impatient to go out, to break this glass (of the
accidents) descending into hearts, to find in them that exchange that the Host
neither knows how, nor can gives to me. But do you know where I find my true
exchange? In the soul that lives in my will My daughter, do I perhaps not live in the Sacramental Hosts,
Living and True, in Soul, Body, Blood and Divinity? Because
there is not a will that opposes mine. If I were to find a will in
the Host that opposed mine, I would live neither Real Life, nor perennial Life
in It. And this is also the reason why the Sacramental Accidents are consumed
when creatures receive me, because I do not find a human will united in such a
way that they want to lose theirs, in order to make acquisition of mine; but
if I find a will that wants to act, that wants to do by itself; and I make My
little visit and leave. On the contrary, for Him who lives in my Will, My will
and his are one alone; and if I do it in the hosts, much more can I do it in
him; much more so, since I find a palpitation, an affection, My exchange and My
gain, which I do not find in a host. Book of Heaven, Volume 16, November
5, 1923
Then, several other passages that say the
Children of the Divine Fiat are to become "living Hosts," and that they'll be
walking Sacraments greater than all others. This theme is littered throughout
all the writings.
My Comment: I'm interpreting these passages this way: If we give our FIAT to
no longer live in our own will and ask for the Divine Will to reign in our Human
Will, we then have no will to oppose the presence of the Divine Will. In this
way we can be unconsecrated Hosts. When a Child of the Divine Will receives
Communion, his substance is transubstantiated into the substance of the Divine
Will. This is what happens in transubstantiation, a changing of substances. It
is in this way that we become Living Consecrated Hosts. Then our acts become the
accidents. Because the Divine Will is in all of Creation, when we pray the
rounds of Creation and Redemption, the One Divine Will is echoed within all
creation, past present and future. Creation will be glad to surrender dominion
back to Man. Becoming Living Hosts also gives us a perennial Communion in such a
way that the other Sacraments will be unnecessary. And when the Three Appeals
are fulfilled, our human nature will be transformed in such a way that we regain
the preternatural gifts. (these things are also plainly
stated in the writings).
First of all, this may be Monophysitism. Christ's
human nature was not changed by His Divine Nature. It's also Monothelitism because we do not work with One Divine Will,
as Luisa asserts both in the writings and in the Three Appeals.
Secondly, the Sacraments will last until the Day of Judgment. [I say this because Christ told us His Church would last
until the End of Time. I'm assuming the actions of His Church, the Sacraments,
will also remain until the Last Day].
Thirdly, what this "Jesus" is proposing is impossible according to teachings
of the Church regarding Transfiguration and the consuming of the Consecrated
Communion Hosts. Here's an excerpt from Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma:
by Dr. Ludwig Ott.
Dogma: After the Consecration has been
completed the Body and Blood are permanently present in the Eucharist. (De fide). ...
"According to the general teachings of the theologians, the Real Presence
continues as long as the species, which constitute the sacramental signs
ordained by Christ, remain. The ceasing of the Real Presence must be
conceived neither as a destruction properly so-called
nor as a transformation of the Body and Blood of Christ into another
substance, nor as a local movement, in which it returns to Heaven. When the species are corrupted, in place of the Body and Blood of
Christ, those substances probably appear which correspond to the specific nature
of the altered accidents." pp 386-387.
To say that our bodies become transubstantiated after consuming the host
violates this dogma for four reasons: 1) a priest would be needed to effect
Transubstantiation (the wrong Form) 2) the Matter is also not present
(unleavened bread) 3) the Real Presence ceases upon loss of the accidents
(because they are eaten) 4) because the Real Presence in the Host cannot
transform into another substance.
The latter is the reason I'm thinking this could be a variant of Monophysitism, defined as "The position that
Christ is not only One Person but also only one single nature. They taught that
Christ is indeed "out of" two natures, but not "in" two natures. Some assumed
a transformation of the human nature into the divine nature, or an absorption of
the Human Nature into the Divine Nature, others a confusion or mixture of the
two natures into one third nature, others a composition of the two natures after
the fashion of the unification of the body and soul in man." Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, pg. 146.
Father Celso, If a
Buddhist were to read the Book of Heaven, he would approve. He would say that
the Children of the Divine Will are going to bring Nirvana to the Mystical Body
of Christ. A Buddhist would see Luisa's writings as an affirmation of his
religion. He would equate Divine Will with Tao. He would also approve of the
many instances of Quietism present in the writings, because Quietism is the
essence of the life of a Buddhist Monk. Now, we both know the Eastern concept of
God is false---because it's Pantheism. If Buddhism were a legitimate path to
God, then why did Christ come and establish a whole different religion to
replace it?? (Buddhism is older than Catholicism). There's also laced throughout
the writings the theme of Monothelitism, no more
apparent than in the Three Appeals. There's also Quietism. Also, this violates a
LOT of dogmas including some regarding Grace,
and the dogma that says revelation ended with the Apostolic Age. Dogmas cannot
be changed. Period!
Clearly, what you're proposing is New Revelation. In fact, you're redefining
Catholicism in almost every aspect. Rather, I should say the entity speaking to
Luisa is redefining these things.
Father, how do you defend against these
things?
And please don't answer with "the human intellect cannot comprehend Divine
Will." This is a load of bunk. Our Faith is based on reason. If Divine Will
cannot be explained with reason, then I want no part of it.
To be able to redo and undo acts of other members of the Body of Christ AND
to also enter into Creation itself (stars, see, flowers) with the Divine Will to
regain dominion over them by making the Divine Will that's in the flowers sing
God's praises requires the insertion of an underlying Pantheism that is contrary
to the very foundation of Christianity. In order for Divine Will to be true, it
must have a pantheistic component. There is no way around this problem. The only
creatures that have grace (a sharing in the nature of God) are those creatures
with rational souls. Plants don't have Grace. They're vegetative. Animals don't
have grace. They have a soul based on instinct, not a rational soul. The way
Divine Will makes rational sense is to revert an
Eastern view of God, a view that says that God is literally in and around all
things, binding the Universe together. That way, an Uncreated God is present in
Man and in plants and animals in One single nature,
i.e. "God is the Universe."
Divine Will would actually make sense to a
Buddhist----but it makes no sense to my Catholic beliefs because what is being
taught is irreconcilable.
I would like an explanation, please. Am I simply wrong? And if yes, please
tell me why I am wrong, and don't refer back to the writings. I'd like a
straight answer.
I thank you very much for your time.
God Bless!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
[no
response]
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/20/06 21:50:37
To: Father Celso
Subject: Sufism and Divine Will
[Everything in bold or italics in these last
e-mails was added by me for emphasis].
Father Celso,
The more I study Divine Will, the more errors I find. A friend of mine
pointed out to me that Divine Will resembles many elements of Sufism, which is a
correlate of Islam. I'll simply reprint highlights from the Wikipedia definition of Sufism that seem
similar to Divine Will spirituality:
Sufis believe that love is
a projection of the essence of God to the
universe.
... The central doctrine of
Sufism, sometimes called Wahdat or
Unity, is the understanding of Tawhid: all
phenomena are manifestations of a single reality, or Wujud (being), or al-Haq (Truth,
God). The essence of being/Truth/God is devoid of every form and quality, and
hence unmanifested, yet it is inseparable
from every form and phenomenon either material or spiritual. It is
often understood to imply that every phenomenon is an aspect of Truth and at
the same time attribution of existence to it is false. The chief aim of all
Sufis then is to let go of all notions of duality, therefore the
individual self also, and realize the divine
unity.
The following metaphor,
credited to an unknown Sufi scholar, helps describe this line of thought,
"There are three ways of knowing a
thing. Take for instance a flame. One can be told of the flame, one can see
the flame with his own eyes, and finally one can reach out and be burned by
it. In this way, we Sufis seek to be burned by
God."
[Let us compare the underlined metaphoric
description above to a metaphor found in the Book of Heaven, Volume 19
July 26, 1926: The four degrees of the living in the Supreme Will. "I
continue in my usual abandonment in the Supreme Volition, and my always lovable
Jesus, on coming, told me: "My daughter, the light of the sun is not
enjoyed equally by all - not because of the sun, since my works, containing
the universal good, do good to all with no restriction of any kind; but because
of creatures. Imagine a person who remains in his room: he does
not enjoy all the vividness of the light; and if he enjoys a mild light, he does
not enjoy its heat. There is someone else, then, who is outside of the
built-up area: he enjoys more light, he feels the heat of the sun; the
heat purifies and disinfects the putrid air, and in enjoying the purified air he
becomes stronger and feels healthier. So, the second person enjoys more of
the goods that the sun brings to the earth. But, move
forward. There is a third person who goes and puts himself at that point
in which the solar rays hit the surface of the earth. This one feels
invested by its rays, he feels burned by the heat of the sun; the vividness
of its light is such that, his eyes being filled with it, he can hardly look at
the earth. He sees himself as though transfused, one could say, into the
very light; he feels little of the earth, of himself, and only because he has
his feet on the ground, but he lives only for the sun. See what a great
difference exists between the first, the second and the third. But, move
even further. A fourth person takes flight into the solar rays, and
rises up to the center of its sphere. This one remains burned by the
intensity of the heat that the sun contains in its center; the intensity of
the light eclipses him completely, in such a way that he remains dissolved,
consumed, within the sun itself. This fourth person can no longer look at
the earth nor think of himself; and if he does look, he
will look at light, he will feel fire. So, for him all things have ended;
light and heat have taken the place of his life. What a difference between
the third and the fourth! However, all this difference does not depend on
the sun, but on creatures, and on how they expose themselves to the light of the
sun.
Now, the sun is the image of my Will which,
more than sun, shoots its rays to convert those who
want to live in Its Kingdom completely into light and love. These people
are the image of the four degrees of the living in my Will. One can say
that the first one does not live in Its Kingdom, but only in the light which,
from my Kingdom, the Sun of my Will diffuses to all. One can say that he
is outside of Its boundaries, and if he enjoys a
limited light, it is because of the nature of light, which diffuses
everywhere. His nature, his weaknesses and passions form as though a house
around him; they form infected and putrid air; and in breathing it, he lives as
sickly and without liveliness of strength in doing good. But in spite of all this, he is resigned; he
bears to his best the encounters of life, because the light of my Will, mild as
it may be, always brings its good. The second is the image of one who has
entered the first steps of the boundaries of the Kingdom of the Supreme
Will. This one enjoys not only more light, but also the heat, therefore
the air he breathes is pure; and in breathing it, he feels passions die within
him, he is constant in good, he bears the crosses not only with resignation, but
with love. However, since he is at the first steps of the boundaries, he
looks at the earth and feels the weight of the human nature. On the other
hand, the third is the image of one who has advanced into the boundaries of this
Kingdom; and Its light is such and so great as to make
him forget everything. He no longer feels anything of himself; good,
virtues, crosses, change into his own nature; the light eclipses him, transforms
him, and just barely allows him to look from afar at what no longer belongs to
him. The fourth is the happiest, because he is the image of one who not
only lives in my Kingdom, but has acquired It.
This one undergoes the total consummation in the Supreme Sun of my Will; the
eclipse caused by Its light is so intense, that he himself becomes light and
heat, nor can he look at anything else but light and fire; and all things
convert for him into light and love.
Therefore, there will be a difference of
degrees in the Kingdom of my Will according to how much creatures will want to
take from Its goods. But the first degrees will
be spurs and paths in order to reach the last one. For you, then, who must
make It known, there is all the necessity to live in
the last degree." WOW! The metaphors are strikingly similar, aren't
they?]
...Junayd was among the first theorist of Sufism; he
concerned himself with ‘fanaa’ and ‘baqaa’, the state of annihilating the self in the
presence of the divine, accompanied by clarity concerning worldly
phenomena.
Definition of Baqaa
Baqaa, with literal meaning of permanency, is a term which
describes a particular state of life with God, through God, in God, and for
God. It is the summit of the mystical manazil, that
is, the destination or the abode. Baqaa comprises of
three degrees, each one referring to a particular aspect of the divine theophanies as principle of existence and its qualitative
evolution, comprising of faith, knowledge, and
grace.
...
First aspect: the level of acts: The first
aspect of the Sufi permanency is situated at the level of acts. The action
of the Sufi is here united with the divine action acquiring its order, harmony
and durability. This specific degree of Sufi ‘’baqâ'’’ is the result of the shooting forth of the divine
theophany as existential principle and the lights of
nature as source of knowledge.
Second
aspect: the level of qualities and attributes: The second aspect of permanency is situated at the
level of qualities and attributes. Here human virtues are raised to the level
of the divine Attributes, acquiring their perfection, dignity and durability:
such that the man's heart attains to a spiritual abode where it is the pure
and clear mirror on which the characteristics of the supreme Creator are
engraved In its turn, the power of acts in the abode of permanence becomes
a docile instrument by which the divine plans in the world and within the
living person are realized. This particular form of ‘’baqâ'’’ is a reflection of the divine existential theophanies at the level of the Attributes and Qualities,
and the effect of the lights of the intellect as principle of
knowledge.
Third aspect: the level of
the essence The last degree of baqâ' is permanency of the essence. In this domain the
essence of the servant is raised to the height of the divine Essence in its
Unity, Sublimity and Universality. He is totally absorbed by the divine
Life. It is through God that he sees, through Him that he hears, through Him
that he expresses his will, through Him that he contemplates. [WOW! Does this or does this not sound like Luisa's
Divine Will? If this doesn't ring a bell, then read this:
LUISA’S PRAYER AFTER
COMMUNION, Book of Heaven, Volume 9 -November 4, 1909: Having received
Communion, I was saying to my adorable Jesus: ‘I am now tightly united with
You – even more, I am identified with You. If we are
one single thing, I leave my being in You, and I take
Yours. So I leave You my mind, and I take Yours; I leave You my eyes, my
mouth, my heart, my hands, my steps… Oh! how happy I
will be from now on! I will think with your mind, I will look with your eyes,
I will speak with your mouth, I will love with your Heart, I will work with
your hands, I will walk with your feet… And if
something comes to me, I will say: “I left my being in Jesus and I took His
own – go to Jesus, and He will answer you for me.” Oh, how blissful I feel! Ah
yes, I take from You also your beatitude, isn’t it
true, Jesus? But, my Life and my Good, with your beatitude You render all Heaven blissful, while if I take your
beatitude I make no one blissful. Amen.’]
This is the most perfect form of Sufi ‘’baqâ'’’, the final stage of the hero's quest. This
particular abode is in its turn acquired by the effect of the theophanies of the Essence on the existential plane and by
the effect of the theophanies of Light at the
Gnostic level.
And back to the first link: Sufism
... Sufic development involves the awakening of these
spiritual centers of perception that lie dormant in an
individual."[Interesting.
The Book of Heaven says the same thing about the Divine Will---that it is present in all men but is dormant. We only await
the completion of the Three Appeals for it to
reawaken].
...Criticism of Sufism: The allegorical and often abstruse language used by
Sufis in their texts when interpreted by unqualified people opens
avenues for many misunderstandings. eg. The concept of divine unity
Wahdat-ul-wujood which critics consider
equivalent to pantheism. and
therefore incompatible with Islam(8). [These days, Christian America doesn't agree with
Orthodox Muslims on many matters, but in this matter, I agree wholeheartedly
with the Orthodox Muslims who claim that Sufism is not a pure form of Islam
because it is tantamount to Pantheism. This is EXACTLY the same argument I am
placing before the Divine Will promoters. The irony is that the Sufis are
using the EXACT same counterargument with the Orthodox Muslims that we
Orthodox Catholics are using with the Divine Will people: that we
misunderstand them, that the literature is so delicate it must
be read in chronological order in order to be absorbed and that it's not
really Pantheism, but something beyond rational understanding. I beg to
differ. Luisa's Divine Will, like Sufism, is a form of Pantheism. Piccarretans can't get around this argument without
sounding like a Sufi! And what would the St. Augustine say about that?]. Sufi masters in many of their introductory texts
caution aspirants from reading and interpreting texts by themselves. They hold
that the subject can only be taught by a master to a student under strict
guidance and supervision owing to its delicate nature. (9)."
[This is the EXACT same argument Father Celso tried pulling on me!].
Father, the parts in (GREEN) really got my attention! Sounds exactly like
Divine Will, practically word for word in some aspects! And is this last
paragraph not similar to what you've said of my understandings of Divine Will in
the past? Is this not the same song and dance being fed to Divine Will
opponents? Is this not the same old argument?
Father Celso, do
you have a response to this???? Again, if I've misunderstood, then please
correct me.
My observation is that Divine Will Spirituality resembles a mixture of
Buddhism, Sufism and Catholicism. There is only one true faith: Extra Ecclesia
Nulla Salus---this is what
the Church teaches! All three can't be right. All three can't be synthesized
into some futuristic One World Religion. Father Celso,
please, if you're already not familiar with the definitions of Sufism, please
read the definitions on the links provided, and then PICK ONE of the three above
religions to practice.
Thank you for your time and God Bless!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
[No response]
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/23/06 20:36:15
To: Father Celso
Subject: The Whys and Hows of Divine Will
Father Celso,
I was perusing Book of Heaven Selected Passages #1. I came across
something interesting---something that tells me WHY you won't give me answers to
valid questions presented in previous e-mails, especially the last two. On page
59, "Jesus," gives a speech to Luisa concerning those who question things:
"The explanation of the why is not written on
earth, but in heaven; and there all shall read it. Do you know what the why is?
It is egoism which gives continual food to self-love."
My comment: To ask WHY is to seek knowledge. We are to KNOW, love, serve and
possess God in the life to come----in that order. To know something you ask WHY.
Asking WHY is not egotistical. It's an act of humility. Asking WHY is the self
deferring to a higher authority. This is a humble act! This "Jesus" not only
contradicts what he's said throughout the whole of Luisa's writings, because
Luisa repeatedly says we need to know the Divine Will in order to possess it,
but this "Jesus" contradicts the very basic teachings of the Church! Our church
is based on REASON, Father, not science fiction and fantasy themes such as
Luisa's "Divine Will."
"Jesus," continues, "Do you know where the why was created? In Hell. Who was the first to pronounce it? A devil."
My comment: Satan refused to serve God. Satan thought himself equal to God,
and it was for the latter reason that he fell.
"Jesus," continues, "The effects of that
first why produced, were the loss of innocence in Eden itself, the war of
implacable passions, the ruin of so many souls, the evils of life ... The
history of the why is long. It is sufficient to tell you that there is no evil
in the world that does not bear the mark of the why. The why is destruction of
Divine Wisdom in souls."
My comment: This entire spirituality of Luisa Piccarreta's is destruction of the Divine Wisdom in souls.
In fact, it's foolish not to ask why. To not question things is, in my opinion,
a sin against prudence and is an occasion to rash judgment! Father, if we're not
to ask "Why" then why has the Church asked "WHY" since the Apostolic age in form
of Church Councils, especially those Councils formed to investigate various
heresies?
"Jesus" continues, "And do you know where the
why will be buried? in Hell, to make them restless
forever, without ever giving them peace. The art of the why is to wage war
against souls without ever giving them rest." My comment: People go
to Hell because they lack selfless love. People don't go to Hell for asking
"Why?"
Do you know what my answer is to the questions you refuse to answer? My
answer is simple----the entity speaking to Luisa, the one inspiring this
spirituality, is NOT Jesus, but Satan himself.
Father, for the sake of your Immortal Soul, you need to rethink your position
on this spirituality. I think you won't answer my questions because you can't.
The reason you can't is because you've been brainwashed. I think you're a nice
man and a good man. Somewhere deep down inside you know I am right!
Divine Will does not make reasonable sense from a Catholic perspective.
Father, you are a priest in the Order of Melchisedek,
not in the Order of Luisa Piccarreta. You VOWED to
give your life to serve Jesus, not Luisa! Jesus did not speak to Luisa. Jesus
did not teach Luisa Divine Will. It is all a lie!!!!!!!!! Please, please,
abandon this evil, dangerous spirituality.
I'll be praying for your reversion to the true Catholic Faith that was taught
to us by Jesus and the Apostles.
God Bless!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
[no
response]
From: Billy de Goat
Date: 10/25/06 13:18:09
To: Father Celso
Subject: St. Louis De Montfort and Luisa's Divine Will
Father Celso,
Divine Will proponents often cite St. Louis De Montfort's True Devotion to Mary as being a precursor to
Divine Will---that his spirituality ultimately leads to
Luisa's Divine Will. You've told me that Heaven commands us to go to Jesus and
Mary through Luisa.
I've been studying Montfortian spirituality more
deeply, recently, and I've uncovered an interesting, but little known fact. In
perfect practice of True Devotion to Mary, also called, "slavery of the will,"
or "holy slavery," St. Louis De Montfort lays down one very strict and unbending
rule and it is this: Perfect Practice of True Devotion to Mary is a
singular devotion to the Blessed Virgin. We are to go to Jesus through
Mary alone. Under no circumstances is a creature to be placed between the soul
and Mary. The proofs of what I call "Montfort's
Failsafe" are found in his letter, Secret of Mary. St. Louis says, "By
this devotion, we place our merits in the hands of Our Lady, but only that she
may preserve, increase and embellish them, since merits for increase of grace
and glory cannot be handed over to any other person." In the same
letter he continues, "Finally, Mary will be the only means we will use
in going to God, and she will become our intercessor for everything we
need." And again, St.
Louis says, "We must never to to our Lord except through Mary." St. Louis says in his
Prayer to Mary for her Faithful Slaves, "... most dearly beloved
Mother, grant, if it be possible, that I may have no other spirit but
yours to know Jesus and His Divine Will." St Louis says how to cultivate the gift of the
Tree of Life that the Holy Spirit plants in your soul through perfect practice
of True Devotion to Mary, "Here is the best way, chosen soul, to cultivate
it: 1) This tree, once planted in a docile heart, requires fresh air and no
human support. Being of heavenly origin, it must be uninfluenced by any
creature, since a creature might hinder it from rising up towards God who
created it. Hence you must not rely on your own endeavors or your natural
talents or your personal standing or the guidance of men. You must resort to
Mary, relying solely on her help."
You claim that the fruits of Montfortian
spirituality are inferior to the fruits of Luisa Piccarreta's Divine Will. I ask you, how can you exceed this
fruit, as described by Montfort? He says, "Chosen soul, provided you thus
carefully cultivate the Tree of Life, which has been freshly planted in your
soul by the Holy Spirit, I can assure you that in short time it will grow so
tall that the birds of the air will make their home in it. It will become such a
good tree that it will yield in due season the sweet and adorable Fruit of honor
and grace, which is Jesus, who has always been and always will be the only
fruit of Mary." Father Celso, you say that
Luisa Piccarreta is the "spiritual" daughter of Jesus
and Mary. But I say that the ONLY FRUIT of Mary is Jesus! So does St. Louis De
Montfort and so does the Church. Montfort continues,
"...Happy is that soul in which Mary, the tree of life, is planted. Happier
still is the soul in which she has been able to grow and blossom. Happier again
is the soul in which she brings forth her fruit. But happiest of all is the soul
which savors the sweetness of Mary's fruit and preserves it up till death and
then beyond to all Eternity. Amen. Let him who possesses this, hold fast to
it."
Clearly, Luisa's Divine Will and True Devotion to Mary are incompatible
because the former requires the insertion of a creature between the soul and
Mary, a soul who, in my opinion hinders the Children of God from rising up
towards God who created them. The Bible says, "Now the Spirit explicitly says
that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to
deceitful spirits and demonic instruction (1 Timothy 4:1)." I believe Luisa's
Divine Will to be just that---a demonic aping, or counterfeit, of the most
powerful devotion/spiritual life available in the Church: True Devotion to Mary
according to Montfort.
Luisa claims that the Children of the Divine Will, her children will be the
greatest saints of all time. But wait. St. Louis De Montfort says the same thing
of devotees of his spirituality. He says that the Children of Mary will be the
greatest saints. They certainly cannot be the same group of people because we've
already established that Montfort and Piccarreta are
incompatible and unmixable spiritualities. Both cannot be right. One is right
and one is a lie.
St. Louis
prophecies in True Devotion to Mary, "Mary has produced with the Holy
Ghost the greatest thing which has ever been or ever will be— a God-Man; and
she will consequently produce the greatest saints that there will be in the
end of time. The formation and education of the great saints who shall come at
the end of the world are reserved for her. For it is
only that singular and miraculous Virgin who can produce,
in union with the Holy Ghost, singular and extraordinary things." page. 21. He continues
prophesying, "The Most High with His holy Mother has to form for Himself
great saints who shall surpass most of the other saints in sanctity as much as
the cedars of Lebanon outgrow the little shrubs … These great souls, full of
grace and zeal, shall be chosen to match themselves against the enemies of God,
who shall rage on all sides; and they shall be singularly devout
to our Blessed Lady, illuminated by her light, strengthened with her
nourishment, led by her spirit, supported by her arm and sheltered under her
protection, so that they shall fight with one hand and build with the other.
With one hand they shall fight, overthrow and crush the heretics with their
heresies, the schismatics with their schisms, the
idolaters with their idolatries and the sinners with their impieties. With the
other hand they shall build (Ezra 4:7) the temple of the true Solomon [Summa
Aurea] and the mystical city of God [St. Augustine], that is
to say, the Most Holy Virgin, called by the Fathers the "Temple of Solomon" and the "City of God." By their words and
examples they shall draw the whole world to true devotion to Mary. This
shall bring upon them many enemies, but shall also bring many victories and much
glory for God alone." page 27.
Granted, I've stated earlier that even the approved mystics can contradict
one another: but not to this degree and not in such important matters. In this
case, one mystic is right and one is terribly wrong. Me? I choose St. Louis De
Montfort's spirituality.
I believe that it is True Devotion to Mary in union with frequent
reception of the Eucharist and other Sacraments that will usher in the
New Springtime of the Church, not called The Kingdom of the Divine Will, but the
Reign of Jesus through Mary. [This is in
reference to the vision of St. John Don Bosco, who saw
a vision of the future Church as a ship in a stormy sea battle with the Holy
Father at the Helm. The enemy ships surrounding the Church were aflame. The Pope
was steering the Church for a place of safety, a dock between two pillars. Atop
one Pillar was a Consecrated Host. Atop the other was the Virgin Mary. The Pope
would tie the Church to each pillar using the chains of the rosary. I believe
the Pillar of Our Lady is Monfortian True Devotion to
Mary, and that the second Pillar is frequent reception of the Eucharist. The
tying the ship down with the rosary is, in my opinion, the declaration of St.
Louis De Monfort as a Doctor of the Church. When this
happens, the attention will be focused on the CORRECT Marian Devotion. The
devotion to false Marian apparitions and false devotions to Mary will cease. The
whole church will be FULLY united in prayer] We, the Children of Mary
are of a Missionary spirit. We are presently beginning to re-evangelize the
whole world, with the goal of bringing everyone to True Devotion to Mary,
which is a path to Jesus Christ through Mary. This will come about through human
instruments and through footwork. It will take work!
I mainly do my missionary work through the Internet. Others do it on college
campuses. Others do it by teaching Bible Studies. Others do it by visiting
Protestant Churches and speaking with our separated brethren. We each have a
role.
I've seen Divine Will conference videos that promote the unapproved messages
of Garabandal. God is not going to manifest a universal ecstasy to prove His
existence to the entire world! The Warning of Garabandal is a lie. If God proved
his existence to all, then it would make man unpleasing to God because it would
ruinate the theological virtue of faith. The Bible
says in Hebrews 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please God. For
he that cometh to God must believe that he is: and is a
rewarder to them that seek him." The Warning
contradicts the Bible. If we all KNEW that God exists, we'd lack faith! Belief
in Garabandal leads to spiritual sloth. We are not to sit around and wait for
God to take care of things. We need to act, and we need to act now.
God will use Human Instruments to bring about this New Springtime. This will
require the world's Catholics to turn off the TV, to turn away from unapproved
Private Revelation, to get off their behinds and to rise and become who they
were born to be: Children of God by preaching the Gospel as it was taught by
Christ and the Apostles. This will require an active Missionary spirit.
This Reign of Jesus through Mary will not be a millennium. It will likely
last 50 to 100 years before the Reign of Antichrist and consummation of the
World in the Second and Final Coming of Christ. Time ends after the Parousia and General Resurrection. The world will be
destroyed and restored in one day, forming New Heavens and New Earth a
kingdom not of this present world through the power of God Alone
It's still not too late, Father Celso, for you to
become a Child of Mary. Set aside childish things and become what you were born
to be. Cast aside the illogical spirituality of Luisa Piccarreta and Join us in the New Evangelization.
God Bless!
Sincerely,
Billy de Goat
[No response. This was my last e-mail to
Father Thomas Celso].
Recommended con-Piccarretan Divine Will readings:
Concluding remarks and Alternative
Spirituality.
Most people practicing Luisa’s Divine Will are
good Catholics making an effort to cultivate rich interior spiritual lives, who,
out of love for Jesus and Mary, chose to practice Luisa’s Divine Will because
it’s being promoted as something that pleases God.
When I learned that Luisa’s Divine Will was
not real, and that it’s actually a lie, my faith was
shaken to the core. I entered into darkness and never thought I’d see the light
of day.
But then something extraordinary happened. As
I felt myself falling into a pit of despair, Mary caught me. She wrapped me in
her mantle, gave me a big hug and a kiss on the cheek, as any Good Mother does,
and through the writings of St. Louis De Montfort, whispered to my soul in a
voice without words, It will be alright. Come, follow ME to
Jesus.
The key is this: Mary did NOT say, Follow
Luisa to Me and Jesus. We are to go to Jesus through Mary and Mary alone.
Who was there at Calvary to catch the body of
Jesus Christ when He was taken down from the Cross? Mary! Who was there with the
Apostles during Pentecost? Mary! Who is there now to do the same for the
Mystical Body? Mary! NOT LUISA PICCARRETA!
I am a child of Mary. Why would I need another
mother? Who can surpass the mother I already have? No one,
especially not Luisa Piccarreta.
Long ago, our Mother revealed a very powerful
spirituality called True Devotion to Mary to a young pious priest with a zealous
missionary spirit. Montfort’s example has inspired a
great many souls. Montfort inspires my own personal apostolate of "Internet
Missionary." One could say that it is the missionary spirit of Jesus through
Mary which drives us Montfortians to being annoying
and persistent seekers and bearers of the Truth.
This link: True Devotion to Mary Readings provides those interested with
links on True Devotion to Mary spirituality.
Montfort provides a safe spirituality. All his
writings have been approved by the Church, with valid Imprimaturs. The writings
even influenced part of Lumen Gentium (a
Vatican II Council Document). There is serious discussion amongst the Montfortians that St. Louis De Montfort will be the next Doctor
of the Church for his True Devotion to Mary spirituality.
Here’s what the popes have said of this
powerful devotion:
Pope Pius
IX declared that St. Louis De Montfort's devotion to Mary was the best and most
acceptable form of devotion to Our Lady.
Pope Leo
XIII granted a plenary indulgence to
those who make St.
Louis De Montfort's act of
consecration to the Blessed Virgin. On his deathbed he renewed the act himself
and invoked the heavenly aid of St.
Louis De Montfort, whom he had beatified in
1888.
Pope St. Pius
X: "I heartily recommend True Devotion
to the Blessed Virgin, so admirably written by Blessed De Montfort, and to all
who read it grant the Apostolic Benediction."
Pope Benedict
XV: "A book of high authority and
unction."
Pope Pius
XI: "I have practiced this devotion
since my youth."
Pope Pius
XII: "The greatest force behind his
[St. Louis De
Montfort's] apostolic ministry and his great secret
for attracting and winning souls for Jesus was his devotion to Mary." (From Canonization address, July 20,
1947).
Pope Paul
VI: "We are convinced without any doubt
that devotion to Our Lady is essentially joined with devotion to Christ, that
it assures a firmness of conviction to faith in Him and in His Church, a vital
adherence to Him and His Church with, without devotion to Mary, would be
impoverished and compromised."
Pope John Paul
II: " The
reading of this book was a decisive turning point in my life. I say 'turning
point,' but in fact it was a long inner journey ... This 'perfect devotion' is
indispensable to anyone who means to give himself without reserve to Christ
and to the work of redemption." "It is from Montfort that I have taken my
motto: 'Totus tuus' ('I am
all thine'). Someday I'll have to tell you Montfortians how I discovered De Montfort's Treatise on True Devotion to Mary, and how
often I had to reread it to understand it."
All of you are seeking The Second Pentecost.
Luisa can't bring this to us. Only Mary can bring it to us. Why? Because by
imitating this Pure Vessel, you attract her Spouse, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit
of Pentecost, Who is sent by the Father and the Son to mystically form
the created image of Jesus in you and you in Him (in an accidental, not
substantial, union). Thus, the End Cause of Montfortian Spirituality is Jesus Christ, the same End Cause
of Pentecost.
I encourage all of you to please rethink your
adherence to Luisa Piccarreta, because there is
something better out there. Where one door closes, God opens a window. Let the
sun shine in! Come, and follow Mary to Jesus!
May the perfect love of God reign in the
hearts of men!
Sincerely,
Billy de
Goat